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This is encouraging but not comparable directly to Are's plots since I haven't made any cuts on the jets at all and I can't yet pick out jets from squark decays (these will be included in the "QCD jet" sample at present). Nevertheless these are probably easy plots for you to reproduce Are? If we agree on these, that would at least remove one possible source of bugs. | |||||||||
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Note that the three first plots have been normalized, and the cuts accumulated through the plots, which was not done in the first version. From the distributions of jet pT and mass, cuts look to be potentially very effective. However, in the log(pT*sqrt(y)) distribution the W-tagged jets have almost the same distribution as other jets, with only a slight excess just below log(pT*sqrt(y))=2. As a result the cut on separation scale is not very effective, and in the invariant mass distribution we see that while the signal plot (red) has roughly the expected endpoints, one can show analytically that for the \delta masses we should have 247 < m_{qW} < 1272, it is burried in SUSY background. | ||||||||
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> > | One additional plot I made is a scatter plot of the separation \Delta R between the two quarks in the W decay and the pT of the W (also attached). I find this a little interesting because it shows at what sort of pT the quarks come out in the same direction, and can make a single W jet. Above 300-400 Gev seems to be good enough, but notice how few events are out there. This is reflected in the small fraction of Ws that decay hadronically that one can find a matching, single jet, for (less than one third with the \delta R cut given above). Perhaps there is simply too little boost for the Ws? I would like to know how this compares to the WW scattering situation. I made another attempt by trying to find a Higgs in the decay chain ~q_L -> q + ~neutralino_2 -> q + h + ~neutralino_1, throught its decay to a bbbar pair. The conclusions are the same. While the jet pT and mass cuts work, the separation scale cut doesn't. You end up with the expected signal distribution, but with too much background. The relevant plots, following the same pattern as for the W is also attached. Here there might however be some more hope. No attempt at b-tagging the jet was made, which might give enought rejection on the background to see something. | |||||||
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After this, we should have a good idea how much mileage there is in this kind of study, and hopefully be in a position to start looking at more challenging SUSY scenarios and treating non-SUSY background events. | ||||||||
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We'll start by assuming that in a SUSY pair production, one decay chain has allowed us to remove all non-SUSY backgrounds, and what we are trying to do is interrogate/unpick the second decay chain to learn more about the SUSY spectrum. In particular we are looking at high ET jets and seeing they come from hadronic decays of W or Z. | ||||||||
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The point \delta has gravitino dark matter, but the neutralino is the next-lightest sparticle and its decays are invisible. Hence, all four points have 'standard' missing energy signatures. |
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We'll start by assuming that in a SUSY pair production, one decay chain has allowed us to remove all non-SUSY backgrounds, and what we are trying to do is interrogate/unpick the second decay chain to learn more about the SUSY spectrum. In particular we are looking at high ET jets and seeing they come from hadronic decays of W or Z. | ||||||||
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Identifying massive hadronic decays in SUSY decay chains.This page is intended to help discussion between Are, Erckan, John and Jon and isn't intended to be used by anyone else.Project planWe'll start by assuming that in a SUSY pair production, one decay chain has allowed us to remove all non-SUSY backgrounds, and what we are trying to do is interrogate/unpick the second decay chain to learn more about the SUSY spectrum. In particular we are looking at high ET jets and seeing they come from hadronic decays of W or Z. John I suggest that we use the benchmarks postulated in hep-ph/0508198![]() |